[MG] Crowdsourcing the History of eDemocracy

Pietro Speroni di Fenizio metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it
Thu May 16 11:02:23 EDT 2013


Thanks. Another list of good links.

I have another talk that has appeared before the one on the history of the
net. So I will update the data then. If anyone feels like adding any data,
please be my guest. Right now I cannot.

best regards,
Pietro

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On 15 May 2013 20:41, Pablo Segundo Garcia <pablo2garcia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Very interesting historical listing. I would like to link it in the
> wiki of Partido de Internet and e2d-international. Could you post a
> stable link for that? or shall we copy the list at some point to some
> other place?
>
> I would also point to agoravoting.com, and partidodeinternet.es
> (http://wiki.partidodeinternet.es/index.php?title=Historia).
>
> I guess you have seen this other listing on softwares:
> http://e2d-international.org/wiki/index.php?title=E-Voting_Taskforce
>
>
> At some point we could use this documentation for some nice pages in
> the wikipedia which I find a little bit lacking of.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/5/15 Pietro Speroni di Fenizio <metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it>:
> > Hi Michael,
> > thanks for the thorough post.
> >
> > Very useful. I will heavily refer to it,
> > and add it in the bibliography.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Pietro
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > Dr. Pietro Speroni di Fenizio,
> >
> > Home Page: http://www.pietrosperoni.it
> > Mobile (Italy): +39 (345) 4542069
> >
> > Home Address:
> > Pietro Speroni di Fenizio
> > Sitio Curcodia, Ribas,
> > Vila Nova de Poiares
> > 3350-099 Portugal
> >
> >
> > On 15 May 2013 13:36, Michael Allan <mike at zelea.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pietro and Ed,
> >>
> >> Pietro asked:
> >> > > In particular can someone trace back the exact author and the date
> >> > > of the idea that voting should not be linked with a specific
> >> > > platform? Although this intuition has not yet reached full
> >> > > maturation I think it deserves a place as one of the ideas that
> >> > > might come up in the future.
> >>
> >> Ed answered:
> >> > > I believe Thomas von der Elbe came up with free range voting:
> >> > > Michael can confirm and give a date.
> >>
> >> Mark Murphy speaks of aggregation in his 2008 essay [1].  That same
> >> year he wrote in an email, "Anybody can cast their vote on the issue,
> >> again by publishing a POSH-enhanced Web page." [2] He seems to have
> >> wanted the votes to be free of central servers and instead in the
> >> hands of self-publishing voters.  That's a beautiful idea.  The
> >> servers become just aggregators, or what today I'd call "vote mirrors"
> >> - except they're tied to a single standard for the vote form [3].
> >> That's one problem.  Another is that few people would actually be
> >> inclined to host their own votes, most would instead come to rely on
> >> vote-servers.  So it's impractical as envisioned.
> >>
> >> Thomas's first post to Metagov (May 2009) takes a different approach.
> >> He's trying to get the vote-servers that already exist and already
> >> host votes to cooperate [4].  At one point in the thread, I suggest
> >> vote pooling [5].  But pooling embraces centralization, which is the
> >> opposite of putting the vote in the voter's hands; it's unattractive.
> >>
> >> The key to the problem turns out to be translation across vote forms.
> >> That's the basis of vote mirroring, which Thomas invented in December
> >> 2009 [6].  It effectively puts the *form* of the vote in the voter's
> >> hands because he/she can now choose any vote-server or voting method,
> >> including (if need be) his/her own.
> >>
> >> So Murphy was the first to go chasing after platform freedom (that I
> >> know of), but Thomas was the first to actually catch it.
> >>
> >> Pietro asked:
> >> > What were the differences between Votorola and Candiwi?
> >>
> >> Both support distributed drafting based on diff/patch tools.  The main
> >> differences are probably in the voting and discussion media.  But I
> >> don't remember Candiwi's design for those.
> >>
> >> > I know Votorola has a nice tree structure of changes to a page. Has
> >> > this been implemented or it is only theorethical (i.e. should I put
> >> > it down as theorethical result)
> >>
> >> What we have are tree structures of *extant* differences, as opposed
> >> to historical changes.  For example, here's Frank's draft:
> >> http://zelea.com/w/User:Frank-FlippityNet/Sys/p/sandbox
> >> Here's the current difference vs. his voter Georgina:
> >> http://zelea.com:8080/v/w/D?a=5339&b=6054&s
> >> And here's the social tree structure that relates Georgina and Frank:
> >> http://zelea.com:8080/v/w/Votespace?p=Sys!p!sandbox&u=Frank-FlippityNet
> >>
> >> That's not a realistic example, of course, and not very instructive.
> >> The practice docs indexed on the home page are more instructive:
> >> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.html
> >>
> >> > Then Free Range Voting (this was how it was called), Michael starts
> >> > speaking about it on the 22/12/2009.
> >> >
> >> > Now what is its relation with Votorola?
> >>
> >> Free-range voting is the primary use case for vote mirroring.  It's
> >> shown here: (see FRV) http://zelea.com/project/outcast/_overview.xht
> >> The three vote-servers in that cluster (V) are supplied by different
> >> providers.  Users may freely range from server to server (vote form to
> >> vote form); they can never be captured by a dominant provider, even
> >> one that had 99.9% of the users.  The relation with Votorola is that
> >> we might be one of the providers.  That would be unlikely without vote
> >> mirroring, because it would be a dog-eat-dog race to the bottom.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>  [1] Mark Murphy. 2008. The “killer app” of public participation. In
> >>      Rebooting America. Edited by Allison Fine, Micah L. Sifrey, Andrew
> >>      Rasiej and Joshua Levy. Personal Democracy
> >>      Press. http://rebooting.personaldemocracy.com/node/5499
> >>
> >>  [2]
> >>
> http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2009-February/001195.html
> >>
> >>  [3] Mark Murphy. 2007. xDebate formats specification, version
> >>      0.1.  Not published.
> >>
> >>      It's a Semantic HTML (POSH) schemata for federated debate on
> >>      political issues.
> >>
> >>  [4]
> >>
> http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2009-May/001404.html
> >>
> >>  [5]
> >>
> http://metagovernment.org/pipermail/start_metagovernment.org/2009-May/001517.html
> >>
> >>  [6] http://zelea.com/w/User:ThomasvonderElbe_GmxDe/Vote_mirroring
> >>
> >>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/votorola/ZgW5iZenrn0
> >>
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