[MG] Wise Use of Funds Raised

Kai Londenberg kai.londenberg at googlemail.com
Tue Jun 18 01:36:14 EDT 2013


just a thought here. Did you consider crowdfunding via something like
Kickstarter ?


Kai Londenberg

2013/6/18 Ned Conner <npconner at earthlink.net>

> Hi Ed and Mark -- Great Posts!
> Ed, I am right there with you in understanding that it is all about
> resources. Some of us have funds available to donate; some of us feel
> called to work on new governance systems, and do so to the extent that we
> are able (self-supported and/or donation supported). More resources would
> be a very good thing. As you say, the window of danger and opportunity is
> upon us.
> Setting up an American non-profit corporation and then funding it through
> grants and such is a common model, and can work. Worth a shot if there is
> evidence that it might. Beyond that, there are also other funding models
> that can work (as you probably know much better than I). Brainstorming with
> a range of potential donors might be useful. (Brainstorming with potential
> recipients of donations, or with middle-man agents of donors (foundations,
> etc.), would probably be less useful -- the donors are the drivers.)
> Because the work that we are doing (towards true democracy, etc.) is not
> really in the self-serving best interests of the Carnegies and Rockefellers
> and Mellons, or their agents, formality may not be our friend when it comes
> to finding funding. New paradigms become attractive (to independent donors,
> developers, and participants) when those working within the paradigm are
> having the most fun, and making the best progress.
> Mark, I very much agree that it would be a good idea for us to set up a
> new sovereign state sort of entity (not geographically defined -- global in
> reach), and have our new governance systems operate in that context. To me,
> "run parallel and render obsolete" seems a much better strategy than "try
> to compete directly within rotten and rigged systems".
> I confess that I didn't follow your references to the freemasons and such,
> but this particular thread may not be the appropriate place to have that
> discussion. You are the one in the best position to know how you can help.
> If you have proposals that you could make (with specificity and
> particularity), that would be great, and I and others could respond.
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> On 6/17/2013 8:30 AM, Mark Giza wrote:
>> Did you ever think composing it as a soveriegn state?
>> Now a lot of soveriegners get looked down upon.
>> I have been speaking very highly of this system.
>> Actually I had the idea to do it years ago and was pleased to see your
>> group had already done the footwork.
>> Now realize the united states is diminishing collection of states and
>> corporations.
>> So basically its like trying to invest in amway. That time has passed.
>> Its a ghost ship.
>> Now to get approval from the freemasons.
>> You need to seperate yourself but promote ideas they are trying to
>> accomplish currently.
>> Like the north american union.
>> So basically establish your own state.
>> Offer people a clean slate and new identity when they join.
>> The united states wouldn't like that but if you play your cards right and
>> support the new world order at this time they will look at it as a
>> supporting state.
>> I have put tons of time into this.
>> I have lots of support from the anonymous organization.
>> So when you establish your own state which is just a matter of paperwork
>> and I would be honored to help with.
>> I would consider helping 100% with your movement.
>> United states is a dying dog. Nothing more.
>> They are deliberatly destroying the economy to force the public into
>> buying into the north american union.
>> Which is fine with me. The us is on autopilot for desteuction.
>> But if you establish yourself as a friendly state.
>> Support the masonic views and lead on to helping them accomplish a common
>> goal. I'm sure it won't be a problem using the Amero as the new currency to
>> finance your project.
>> I have about ten years of research of creating new states and
>> international law.
>> Let me know if your interested.
>> Ttyl
>> Namaste
>> On Jun 17, 2013 7:45 AM, "Ed Pastore" <epastore at metagovernment.org<mailto:
>> epastore@**metagovernment.org <epastore at metagovernment.org>>> wrote:
>>     Hi, Ned. The idea I have been floating on the Votorola list is
>>     just that: an idea I'm mulling over. I brought it up prematurely
>>     because of the post Rhett had made there. But it is all about
>>     resources.
>>     Currently, the resources I have available for Metagov are tiny
>>     scraps of time I manage to eke out between the heavy demands of my
>>     job, my business, and caring for a sick family-member.
>>     I would prefer for Metagov to be my full-time job, but the only
>>     practical way for me to make that happen is to organize it as an
>>     American non-profit corporation. Then I could work up to spending
>>     significant amounts of time writing grant proposals to foundations
>>     in the hopes of building up a treasury which we could then use to
>>     fund publicity efforts as well as to fund coding projects (plus I
>>     could work on making back-end improvements such as expanding on
>>     the limitations of the list server).
>>     I've repeatedly floated the idea of creating a formal
>>     organization, but I've had a lot of trouble with the idea of
>>     making it an American company. It just seems wrong for our group
>>     to be tied to one country. Especially the United States, where
>>     relatively few of our members reside and where the tax laws are
>>     intrusive and burdensome. There's also a lot of legal work to be
>>     done to figure out if we can create a non-profit which is governed
>>     not by a board of directors but by collaborative governance. On
>>     the other hand, the U.S. is the place where a large bulk of the
>>     moneyed foundations reside; and generally they only fund American
>>     non-profits ("501c3's").
>>     Rather than figuring out what to do with the scarce resources we
>>     have now, I would love the opportunity to grow them into a more
>>     formidable stash. I am open to ideas, suggestions, alternative
>>     thinking, etc.
>>     On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Ned Conner wrote:
>>      There is an active thread over on the Votorola listserv that is
>>>     raising many important issues for discussion:
>>>     *A New Party Dedicated to Implementing Public Voting*.
>>>     The root links to the thread are:
>>>     http://mail.zelea.com/list/**votorola/2013-June/001748.html<http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2013-June/001748.html>
>>>     http://mail.zelea.com/list/**votorola/2013-June/001753.html<http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2013-June/001753.html>
>>>     http://mail.zelea.com/list/**votorola/2013-June/001749.html<http://mail.zelea.com/list/votorola/2013-June/001749.html>(and
>>>     following)
>>>     As often happens when we try to use listserv platforms for
>>>     rational discourse, the thread started out as a specific
>>>     invitation from Rhett Pepe to Michael Allen, and has since
>>>     morphed into a wide-ranging informal conversation between Michael
>>>     Allen and Ed Pastore. (As an aside, to effectively and
>>>     efficiently support decision making through rational discourse,
>>>     we need a system that features professional profiling and
>>>     automatic multi-threading of each unit and sub-unit of the
>>>     discourse, and that structurally, procedurally, reliably,
>>>     transparently connects the discourse outcome to the decision
>>>     outcome. Blinap alone among all extant decision system designs
>>>     provides these features. The listserv platform has none of these
>>>     features.)
>>>     Below is a list dealing with one issue, extracted from the
>>>     thread, of aims and values and objectives and strategies, with my
>>>     addition appended.
>>>         * Rhett wants to start a new (mixed-format) political party
>>>           (and run for city council), as a means to infiltrate
>>>           Representative Democracy with Direct Democracy.
>>>         * Ed wants freedom from representation.
>>>         * Ed wants consensus-oriented direct democracy.
>>>         * Ed is also (like Rhett) considering founding a mixed-format
>>>           party, as a stepping stone.
>>>         * Ned thinks that using our scarce resources to directly
>>>           compete against entrenched powers (that have vastly more
>>>           resources) on their own turf (in our currently existing
>>>           polyarchies) would be a monumental waste of our scarce
>>>           resources. We can more quickly and efficiently create a
>>>           more effective global "bully pulpit" if we do not engage in
>>>           the utter waste of competing directly (creating political
>>>           parties, running for office, buying advertising, funding
>>>           political campaigns, etc.).
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