[Start] Video Streaming Host

Chris Cargile follybeachris at gmail.com
Sat Dec 5 09:12:37 EST 2009


Hi all,

I have not been keeping up as much as I used to.  I did notice you were
seeking a host for web-optimized video streams.  Although I didn't catch
perhaps all of the requirements, at first glance I think
Vimeo<http://vimeo.com>might be a good choice.  Per their
website <http://vimeo.com/help/faq#share_video>,

How many videos can I upload?

Basic account users can upload 500 MB a week (with a max of 10 files per
day). Plus users can upload 5 GB (1 GB per file) per week, and there is no
per-day upload limit.

This quota resets weekly, and your personal reset day can be seen on the
right side of the Upload Page <http://vimeo.com/upload/video>, along with
how much space you have remaining this week. Videos that you upload remain
on the site, so you can upload 500 MB of videos this week, and another 500
MB next week, and they'll all be there for the watchin'.
Hope that solves the video streaming issue.

Cheers,
Chris

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> From: Pietro Speroni di Fenizio <metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it>
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> Hi Mark,
> maybe it is enough for Ed,
> but I personally would not be able to speak in front of an audience
> about your project knowing only this:
>
> > Perhaps something that would be interesting for the presentation would be
> to
> > have each project succinctly state their distinguishing characteristics?
> >
> >
> >
> > DemocracyLab's would be:
> >
> > - A "Values-Focused Thinking" cognitive model, breaking issues down into
> > statements of values, objectives, and policies.
> >
> > - Creating a map of political thought showing the connections between
> > values, objectives, and policies.? This map could be used to identify
> points
> > of consensus and disagreement concerning the range of views on an issue.
> >
> > - Analysis, filtering, and weighting of user demographic information
> could
> > allow greater insight into the views of subgroups of a community.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the interest of being succinct, I?ll leave things there...
> >
>
>
> Maybe you could be a bit less succint, and let us the work of editing
> out material.
> For example how are those aims reached?
>
> Sorry, but time is running short. The deadline is on the 8 of December.
>
> Regards,
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> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:49:39 +0100
> From: Giovani Spagnolo <giovani at telematicsfreedom.org>
> Subject: Re: [Start] the Vilfredo Rocky Horror Show is up!
> To: metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it,    Metagovernment Startup Committee
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> I am actually sending it to your gmail address using dropsend.com...
> if you don't get it, let me know and we try again
> gs
>
> Pietro Speroni di Fenizio wrote:
> > Hi Giovani,
> > thank you very much.
> >
> > I have found a page in dreamhost on how to add quicktime stream movies,
> > http://wiki.dreamhost.com/QuickTime_Streaming
> > so I was thinking eventually to use that.
> > Probably the best is to have different version available. Yours seems
> > a really good one for people to download all at once, under small
> > internet connection.
> >
> > How can you send it to me?
> >
> > Shall we use dropbox? It works perfectly.
> >
> > I can share a folder with you, or viceversa.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Pietro
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------
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> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/12/3 Giovani Spagnolo <giovani at telematicsfreedom.org>:
> >
> >> I have just converted it into a .mp4 web-optimized version.
> >> It is 480x368 and 163Mbytes, probably fast enought to load over the web
> >> even if not-so-great adsl connections (such as in italy :-).
> >>
> >> Which web player are you planning to use? Take a look at JW player to
> >> embbed it on your own website. It's the one I use in my personal site
> >> (http://tvgio.com/galeria-video/)
> >>
> >> I'll be off-line tomorrow because I'm moving to a new house, buzz me
> >> over the weekend and I send you the file if you still interested.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> gio
> >>
> >> Ed Pastore wrote:
> >>
> >>> Several barcamps I have seen use LiveStream. It is oriented toward
> >>> streaming live video, but also allows video uploads:
> >>> http://livestream.com/platform/livetvbroadcasts
> >>>
> >>> I haven't looked at their terms of usage, but it seems promising.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 3, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Pietro Speroni di Fenizio wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Adrian,
> >>>> I would love but right now I really do not have the time.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a few deadlines just all arriving before Christmas.
> >>>> But if someone feels like making a better version,
> >>>> and then sending it to me I will be happy to upload it in the website
> >>>> (plus a public acknowledge when I make it public).
> >>>> Also,
> >>>> if anyone know of other solutions or websites that offer longer
> videos.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or maybe it is possible to have it on youtube, and they split it in 10
> >>>> minutes video. But they have to do the splitting work themselves.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or google video?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or maybe even dreamhost has some solutions to see a video while it is
> >>>> being downloaded. But still it would take a long time.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am sorry, I just don't have the time right now to investigate it.
> >>>> But if you have a solution recepy let me know. Or even better go
> >>>> forward, and then send me the video, and I will upload it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Pietro
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------
> >>>>
> >>>> Dr. Pietro Speroni di Fenizio,
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Coimbra, 06, Portugal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/12/3 Adri?n S. <adrian86 at gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also, watching a video on youtube means downloading it with your
> >>>>> browser in
> >>>>> a temp folder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to see your job Pietro, Could you make a really more
> >>>>> compressed
> >>>>> version? maybe in .rmvb
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Manuel Barkhau
> >>>>> <mbarkhau at googlemail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 2009/12/1  <cellers at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> can't you post it on youtube so we don't have to download it all?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Youtube only allows 10min videos. You have to jump through some
> hoops
> >>>>>> if you want more.
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> From: Pietro Speroni di Fenizio <metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it>
> Subject: [Start] Single World View, Multiple World View,        Pareto
>        Frontier World View: A  proposal for Gov20 expo
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> Dear All,
> this morning I woke up with an intuition, and wrote a proposal for the
> Gov20 expo.
> http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2010/public/cfp/82
>
> Can I have some feedbacks from this community before I submit it:
> The paper-extended abstract  is called:
> "Single World View, Multiple World View,  Pareto Frontier World View:
> The Many Solutions to a Single Problem"
>
> and is an analysis on how different website solves the same problems
> posed by collaborative editing.
>
> It looks at wiki (briefly), MixedInk, White House 2, and Vilfredo goes
> to Athens (extensively).
>
> The document is available at:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2754299/gov20expo/OneManyPareto.pdf
>
> Please let me know what you think of it.
>
> The Description (400 characters) is:
> How to produce collaborative documents? Challenges and problems; the
> single document vs the multiple document strategy; what is a Pareto
> Front and how can be used to generate a set of documents that
> represents the whole community. Experiences from a site that uses a
> Pareto Front, applied to a human based genetic algorithm, to answer to
> an open question, will be shared.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Pietro
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> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:22:09 +0000
> From: Pietro Speroni di Fenizio <metagovernment at pietrosperoni.it>
> Subject: Re: [Start] Vilfredo interviews and selections of multiple
>        responses
> To: Jacki Buros <jburos at gmail.com>
> Cc: Metagovernment Startup Committee <start at metagovernment.org>
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> Dear Jacki,
> thanks for your email.
>
> I will try to answer you inline:
>
> 2009/12/4 Jacki Buros <jburos at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Pietro,
> >
> > Thanks for the response. From your responses it seems you do get the
> > question, though it becomes more clear in the end.
> >
> > Briefly, you could say I voted strategically rather than honestly.
> > There were some good ideas but I didn't support most of them on their
> > own, rather I wanted to support some combinations of solutions.
> >
> > This has occurred a few times where I would like to vote for two
> > proposals such that BOTH would be represented, and not for either
> > alone.
> >
> > Would the honest and appropriate response then be to vote for neither
> > (none)? I am not sure this is allowed ..
>
> Sure you can, but since you wrote some proposals yourself, you should
> at least vote for yours. Do you not agree with yourself? ;-).
>
> >
> > Perhaps the selection of 'combinations' of proposals -- select
> > proposals A + B together, not as either/or but only as a selection of
> > both -- is something that can be done on the UI rather than changing
> > the algorithm, essentially creating a joint proposal from existing
> > proposals and submitting it in one step. This would be useful because,
> > let's say I write proposal A and Ed writes proposal B, I can't see
> > proposal B until the next round. But, perhaps people who supported
> > both A and B would then also support A+B automatically ?
>
> The idea to be able to vote for some combinations, and only for those
> is very interesting.
> Unfortunately doing this would mean that a person should be allowed to
> write ALL the combinations he approves.
> In short the voting would take the form of
> (A and B and C) or (A and C) or (A and B).
> There is a general form of it in Set logic where you write a set as a
> set of union of intersections. And every parenthesis inside should
> either contain a set or its negation: A or notA ). Essentially we
> would be reproducing that.
> >From a math point of view that is no big deal. What IS a big deal is
> how do you explain that to pntil yoeople.
>
> You could let people at least make one set of intersections (example:
> A and B). But honestly it would be really asking for trouble. I can
> see people sending emails, asking why they voted for A and B, but the
> system did not consider that they supported A (by itself).
>
> It is much easier to spread the problem through the generations and
> generate a system where you just tick the ones of the combination that
> you approve. Then you create a new proposal out of that combination.
> And then that proposal becomes a separate element, and goes up for
> voting for everybody else. After all what are the probability that if
> we do not do in this way people will be writing the same combinations
> of proposals.
>
> So doing in the other way (as you suggest) would also generate a huge
> amount of extra elements in the pareto front simply because the other
> people did not concider those particular combinations. Nor can I, from
> my authority, force them to. After all if you vote for A and you vote
> for B, this DOES NOT mean that you suppor "A and B".
>
> So, yes. I hope this answers your questions by placing it in its
> mathematical framework. ANd the short answer is:
> please do produce by yourself the combinations you intend to vote in
> the next voting phase.
>
> We will soon roll out a way for those to be produced more easily, but
> you still will need to produce them in the composition phase.
>
>
> >
> > However, from your response below I see that perhaps the proposal
> > where proposals are 'sub-proposals' of a main proposal is more
> > complicated than it should be. The A+B is essentially what I was
> > envisioning as the 'sub-proposal', where some could vote for the main
> > *only*, some for a sub-prop *only*, and others for some combination of
> > main+sub. But, this may be too complicated for VGTA to handle.
>
> Indeed :-)
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Pietro
>
>
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